so i guess this guy's body was returned yesterday

11/10/2025 10:50:12 PM

The Zionazis have killed 300+ Palestinians since the "ceasefire", including some 30+ just yesterday, which included a whole family.

[Edited on November 20, 2025 at 12:11 PM. Reason : but acc. to ^, they are just trying to survive and the evil ppl around them don't let them just live]

11/20/2025 12:10:04 PM

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"they are just trying to survive and the evil ppl around them don't let them just live"

correct. you should oppose the evil people too. you've done it before.

[Edited on November 20, 2025 at 12:29 PM. Reason : why hasn't hamas returned all the hostages yet? and why is hamas still attacking israel? and why is hamas still murdering gazans?]

11/20/2025 12:28:31 PM

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"why hasn't hamas returned all the hostages yet?"

Some of the bodies are hard to reach -Trump

11/20/2025 12:36:46 PM

yes that's true and was known by both sides prior to the "ceasefire" being signed. there are 3 remaining hostage bodies that haven't been returned. whether those 3 are because hamas doesn't know where they are or they're just continuing to use them as leverage, idk and frankly it doesn't matter much (to me. i'm sure it does to the families)

the larger point is that this is all narrative warfare. propagandists like oepii can scream zionazis broke the ceasefire, but hamas isn't holding up their side either. the ceasefire says "Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement, all hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned." and this narrative warfare thing has been one of the main fronts this entire time. so who gives a shit. it's war. of course shit like this is gonna happen on both sides. so who gives a fuck, other than smooth brained culture war victims.

that's why instead of war vs ceasefires, we should be aiming for PEACE and nothing less. but one side has never once committed to peace. inshallah that will change in our lifetimes. but the spell is gonna have to break on the arab/muslim/progressive/maga world and they stop thinking jews are the root of all evil. they're people just like everybody else, not some magic embodiment of your metaphysical failings.

[Edited on November 20, 2025 at 1:07 PM. Reason : added maga since the woke right is showing their ass these days too]

11/20/2025 12:54:52 PM

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"but the spell is gonna have to break on the arab/muslim/progressive/maga world and they stop thinking jews are the root of all evil. they're people just like everybody else, not some magic embodiment of your metaphysical failings."

I don't think most progressives think jews are the root of all evil. Just that the State of Israel and the IDF is pretty evil. It has nothing to do with culture or religion. I really don't understand why you arrogantly refuse to understand that.

11/20/2025 2:35:53 PM

i refuse to "understand" it because it's not true. you might be convinced it's true, but it's not. over the last year+ i've tried to present a set of facts that i think y'all are missing in hopes that it would change some minds or at least get y'all to consider the possibility that maybe there was more to all this than the perspectives that have taken root in your political tribes, but it's clear many of y'all have just dug in and not much i can do about it. people often believe things based less on facts and more on emotion and identity. a shame, but after all we're only humans.

11/20/2025 3:09:34 PM

lol, yeah, we're the ones who are "dug in" here.

11/20/2025 3:59:59 PM

correct.

11/20/2025 4:09:31 PM

the human brain, man

nobody is safe from being radicalized

11/20/2025 4:39:56 PM

100% you and me both

that's why it's important to at least attempt to have a rigorous system of understanding what is true, what is not true, what might be true, what's kindof true, and when people might be trying to persuade you, manipulate you, fool you and why.

but that's hard and time consuming so most people just stick to their tribes.

11/20/2025 4:48:02 PM

my tribe is “genocide is bad” and “indiscriminately killing tens of thousands of women and children is bad”

11/20/2025 4:57:19 PM

your tribe is coming up with the harshest words you can think of whether or not they're grounded in reality so you can libel Jews while ignoring or justifying the very same sorts of war crimes happening all over the world

[Edited on November 20, 2025 at 5:05 PM. Reason : because you need somebody ELSE to blame for the sins of the world. and many people are saying it's the Jews so it's probably the Jews]

[Edited on November 20, 2025 at 5:06 PM. Reason : enjoy your 21st century.]

11/20/2025 5:04:43 PM

It's worrying that you keep using "truth" and "fact" for a morals (or at best legal) based subject.

But also your rigorous base of understanding might need work if it leads to the worst possible conclusion of tww'ers that you know basically nothing about and that goes against their stated beliefs and opinions (not even counting the Jewish people that consider the efforts in Gaza to be a genocide, are they antisemitic or just stupid?). Meanwhile, some of the most public figures in the world take huge public and/or impactful actions that sure make many of us come to pretty bad conclusions, and yet you find every opportunity to defend them. I wonder what would happen if you gave the same good faith treatment to the rest of us.

I think you are just as unwilling to abandon your priors as any of us. It's funny folks like to yell at TGL for never saying he is wrong but I'm not sure anyone on this website says we're wrong very often. Plenty of us talk about how we were wrong in the past but I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone's mind change on here, I don't know I guess this paragraph is off topic.

For the record I definitely think you are far more well read than me, and more knowledgeable on the subject but I think all that knowledge makes you overconfident in your moral judgments.

Anyway I'm not supposed to be in this thread but those are my thoughts.

11/20/2025 7:07:34 PM

Meanwhile, settlers in the West Bank (which are de facto illegal, btw), are pillaging the area, murdering people and setting buildings on fire. Again. But I guess that's just their religion, right?

11/20/2025 7:48:30 PM

Jesus fucking Christ the owner of this website must be mainlining Fox News or OAN at this point, but we are all the ones with blinders on who can't see the truth while he claims to be some enlightened centrist. Brother, your brain has been broken, yet we are the ones that are puppets for Muslims. I'm half convinced you won't be happy until Palestine as anything is gone and every one of them is dead. I'm sure it will all be good for the righteous cause of Zionism though. Inshallah, right?

If this site hasn't died in 5-10 years it would be very interesting to see if you look back on your posts and have some serious self-reflection. TBH I doubt it though. Your as dug in as most of the MAGA idiots are now who can't see the economy collapsing all around them while they say "This is fine."

11/21/2025 5:18:56 PM

bless your heart

11/21/2025 6:22:40 PM

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"If this site hasn't died in 5-10 years it would be very interesting"

I think it would be great!

But I'm also puzzled by some of the evolution.

But I'm not mad.

11/21/2025 7:13:07 PM

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"here are the new Harvard Middle East Initiative Dialogues."

some new interviews were released

11/24/2025 8:29:11 PM

I guess the ethnic cleansing (not a genocide) is over now, and they’re on to rebuilding plans. Will be interesting to see how this plays out— do the millions of displaced people adapt and accept it or does spawn a new generation of resistance?

Could be a good template for dealing with maga— we cleanse all the rightwing billionaires funding sources, crush their spirits by physically destroying some of their most prized buildings, and use their wealth to rebuild science and education and green energy.

1/23/2026 11:58:47 AM

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" LIVE: Body of last Hamas hostage, Israeli Ran Gvili, returned https://youtube.com/live/pMigr7H5xec "

Glad these families are getting some closure finally

1/26/2026 9:54:59 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/03/israel-gaza-death-toll-accurate-health-ministry

70,000+ Palestinians killed

2/4/2026 11:04:49 AM

(you forgot to preface that with the obivious statement that Oct 7th was terrible, and the obvious statement that hamas is evil)

[Edited on February 4, 2026 at 11:28 AM. Reason : ]

2/4/2026 11:09:04 AM

(Not that there's anything wrong with that)

2/4/2026 11:32:05 AM

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"I guess the ethnic cleansing (not a genocide) is over now, and they’re on to rebuilding plans. Will be interesting to see how this plays out— do the millions of displaced people adapt and accept it or does spawn a new generation of resistance?"

You are so out of the loop if you think the ethnic cleansing and massacres are over just because a "ceasefire" was put into place.

Go have a look at the death, destruction, and ethnic cleansing the filthy Zionazis have carried out (in Gaza, WB, Jerusalem, Lebanon, and Syria) since the "ceasefire", which was a ruse they agreed to so that they can keep carrying out their crimes under the radar as signing a "ceasefire" would divert the world's attention away from the overt atrocities, which it obviously did, and led to your delusion.

2/5/2026 12:44:32 AM

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" For the first time in modern history, Gallup finds that the proportion of Americans who sympathize more with Palestinians has surpassed those who favor Israelis — a stark reflection of changing attitudes toward the top U.S. ally"

Makes sense. Netanyahu has killed more Palestinians than IRGC has killed Iranians. It makes me nervous that he might want to do to Tehran what he did to Gaza.

3/5/2026 9:35:39 AM

I feel like only with DJT could Israel do what they do. For better or worse

[Edited on March 6, 2026 at 1:00 AM. Reason : ^no way it could be similar. Iran is Alaska, israel is like NJ]

3/6/2026 12:43:10 AM

^^ might want?

3/6/2026 12:43:52 AM

^^
Tehran is a city, not a country.

3/6/2026 7:01:04 AM

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-west-bank-settlers-9ded87da79b032cff60ddd8797846f0e

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"Israeli settlers rampaged through multiple Palestinian villages overnight Saturday and into Sunday, smashing cars, setting fires and wounding several men in the latest flare-up of violence in the occupied West Bank. The official Palestinian news agency WAFA reported attacks in at least six communities on Sunday. The Palestinian Red Crescent Society said at least three Palestinians in the village of Jalud suffered head wounds from beatings and were hospitalized after confronting settlers, who were also reported injured. The violence came as Israel’s government presses ahead with new settlements in the occupied West Bank. Attacks by settlers have intensified alongside a broader surge in violence since the Iran war started."

3/22/2026 3:01:03 PM

That's just their religion, man. Definitely not ethnic cleansing...

3/22/2026 4:07:33 PM

I think Israel is fucked at this point now that Iran can being the world to its knees. The outcome of this war may well be a Palestinian state, with all.setllers being withdrawn from the West Bank.

4/8/2026 9:29:37 PM

I find that it just isn't possible for a normal, rational human being to so completely dismiss Israel's behavior in all of this.

Even if you accept that Israel is justified in its campaign in Gaza, from a purely objective standpoint, there is enough here that should make you pause and say "hey, it's rationally possible that Israel IS in the wrong here".
- I look at the numbers: Hamas attacked and killed 1,300 Israelis on Oct 7. Israel has killed 70,000.
- I also can't help but notice that Israel has been conducting a 60+year occupation of Palestinian Territories that the UN has called illegal.
- I read the Palestinian Health Ministry's reports of losses being suffered by the Gazans. Online I see pro-Israeli commenters calling PHM's numbers exaggerated. I seek independent news sources to follow the war, but that is hard because on a number of occasions the IDF targeted and killed independent foreign journalists.
- I read about the treatment of the people inside Gaza - the IDF cuts off water and aid resources to the civilians. People are literally malnourished and starving to death.
- I see that the UN has declared the Gaza campaign to be a Genocide.
- I see Israel's reaction to the Genocide declaration by calling it "antisemitic". I look up "antisemitism" in the dictionary/wikipedia/etc and learn that the definition of antisemitism has recently evolved to encompass "anti-zionism", tying a religion into a political state, effectively making it more difficult to criticize Israel as a country.
- I read about settler expansions into the West Bank with IDF backing. The IDF is aware that the West Bank is NOT where Hamas and the hostages are, despite that being the justification for the Gaza campaign.
- Simultaneously, I read that Netanyahu has endorsed a plan for "Greater Israel", indicating a desire to further expand its settlements and displace people from their homes in multiple countries.
- I read in Israeli media that a growing % of Israeli citizens do not support Netanyahu, Smotredge, and the right-wing Likud party that runs the country and do not endorse the course that the war has taken.
- I see numerous Jewish groups in America and around the world speaking out in protest of the genocide. I see pro-Zionists responding by calling them "self-hating Jews".

I see all this, and as a rational human being, I have a really hard time sympathizing with Israel.

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"Jesus fucking Christ the owner of this website must be mainlining Fox News or OAN at this point, but we are all the ones with blinders on who can't see the truth while he claims to be some enlightened centrist. Brother, your brain has been broken, yet we are the ones that are puppets for Muslims. I'm half convinced you won't be happy until Palestine as anything is gone and every one of them is dead. I'm sure it will all be good for the righteous cause of Zionism though. Inshallah, right? "

If I were to speculate, I wouldn't be surprised if qntmfred was getting a paid kickback from IDF's Brand Marketing arm.

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"I think Israel is fucked at this point now that Iran can being the world to its knees. The outcome of this war may well be a Palestinian state, with all.setllers being withdrawn from the West Bank."

Israel would never let that happen; Netanyahu needs America to cover for them while they expand into Lebanon. My guess is he will call up DJT and convince him to break the ceasefire before the Strait fully opens up.

[Edited on April 9, 2026 at 4:57 AM. Reason : ]

4/9/2026 4:55:39 AM

The ceasefire was broken within hours of being signed

4/9/2026 8:31:16 AM

In b4 lEbENoN WaSnT inClUDEd!!!

4/9/2026 8:43:39 AM

According to credible source VPJD: "iT jUsT wAsN't!!!"

4/9/2026 8:50:17 AM

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"Israel would never let that happen; Netanyahu needs America to cover for them while they expand into Lebanon. My guess is he will call up DJT and convince him to break the ceasefire before the Strait fully opens up."

Israel's not going to have a say at all. Iran basically has its nuclear weapon now. They've proven that they can close the Strait with $2000 drones, wrecking the global economy and food supplies, and the US can't stop it. It's a fundamental shift in power in the region that will finally give Arab states a counter to Israel's previously-unchecked aggression towards its neighbors.

It's not fully there yet, but Trump and JD are playing FAFO with this ceasefire right now, trying to show that we haven't been completely cucked. This is straight out of Cheeto's playbook, but it only works when the other side doesn't have leverage. Iran has massive leverage now.

My bet is that Cheeto loses his temper again, ratchets it up to 11, and Iran just shuts it down for another month to prove who is really in control. After that, you get an actual ceasefire that includes Israel. Israel breaks the ceasefire again, because that's just their religion, man, Iran shuts it down for another 2 months, and then shit starts rolling towards a Palestinian state.

4/9/2026 9:45:24 AM

If only we weren't so reliant on oil. . .

4/9/2026 11:52:53 AM

Good thing the US isn't paying a billion dollars to NOT build a wind farm

4/9/2026 12:00:32 PM

Yes, thanks to the smart brains and forward-looking leadership we have in charge of things!

4/9/2026 12:08:43 PM

Netanyahu?

More like nutty yahoo

4/9/2026 2:23:09 PM

https://jstreetdotorg.substack.com/p/reassessing-the-us-israel-security

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"This moment demands a reset. J Street is calling for the U.S. to end unconditional financial military subsidies to Israel and to move towards a relationship where we treat Israel like any other ally. ?? 1/6 J Street supports: – Phasing out taxpayer-funded military aid by 2028, when the current agreement ends. – Ensuring Israel can defend itself, by selling – not subsidizing – the weapons it needs, including Iron Dome. 2/6 We also support enforcing U.S. law on how American arms are used, including withholding certain weapons when those laws are not met. 3/6 Why now? The current U.S. aid agreement expires in 2028. This is the moment to chart a smarter path forward. At the same time, after the devastation in Gaza and ongoing suffering in the West Bank, it is clear that the status quo is no longer sustainable. 4/6 Israel is strong, prosperous and capable of paying for its defense. Treating Israel as an exception and supplying it with a blank check worth billions has made support for the country more divisive and less sustainable. 5/6 Simply put, the U.S. should treat Israel like any other partner. The normalization of this relationship doesn’t weaken the alliance – it strengthens it, protects democracy and secures long-term bipartisan support. 6/6"

4/13/2026 10:49:46 PM